witty guy, he knows who he is and he has been doing it for 40 years, so you are not going to rattle joe biden. >> chris: vice president biden and congressman paul ryan, both trying to set expectations ahead of their debate, on sday. and we're back now with the panel. well, i don't know how important it is, in terms of who is going to actually win, we'll deal with that in a few minutes but i have to say, i am really looking forward to this ryan-biden debate. on the one hand, you've got an old-school liberal, on the other hand, you have a young gun conservative. i think it is going to be a real culture clash. kim, what do you expect? >> i think what you said, what joe biden has going for him, when barack obama went into his debate, expectations were huge that he was going to mop the floor with romney and as it happens he didn't have a good night an joe biden does not have a high expectation problem, okay? people think of people as the gaffe guy. and, i think that underestimates him. he's good. what paul ryan said is true, he has been doing it 40 years and he'll be on message and he has so